Guns in the U.S

Hey everyone! Just wanted to post a link to a topic on the Skaven forums about guns in the U.S

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I think they're crazy!BTW,I'm symbiont on the forums.

Outlawing guns makes sure only outlaws will have them.

Wow, you're opening up a can of worms with that topic Juan Carlos.

I personally feel that it should be illegal for civilians to own guns. There are effective non-lethal weapons available for home protection that are readily available to the public (tasers). Hunting is an archaic representation of Man's primitive need to express aggression. We have a new way of dealing with that, it's called sports, martial arts, boxing, warhammer, etc. If people want to hunt, they should have to report to a center where they receive a gun, use it to hunt with, and then return it when they are done hunting.

It's true that Outlaws and criminals will still have guns, but if outlawed, over time there will be less on the market and less availability.

There's something fucked up with a nations gun laws when every few months you hear about some kid who goes into his highschool and blows away his teacher or classmates etc.

We sit here and make fun of pictures of Palestinian kids and Sudanese children waving AK 47s in the air and we say to each other "how sick" . But meanwhile millions of American suburban kids are taking out their Dads rifles and shot guns and having fun blowing away old T.V's and matressess in abandoned Junk yards.

I can't tell you how many times I had friends show me their gun collections. It really is a problem in this country.

I am not going to get involved in this one it is a can of worms one that many people will have a passionate stance on.... I don't agree wih you on this one Stephan but at the same time, I am not going to debate this one. I think this could get ugly.

I personally feel that it should be illegal for civilians to own guns. There are effective non-lethal weapons available for home protection that are readily available to the public (tasers). Hunting is an archaic representation of Man's primitive need to express aggression. We have a new way of dealing with that, it's called sports, martial arts, boxing, warhammer, etc. If people want to hunt, they should have to report to a center where they receive a gun, use it to hunt with, and then return it when they are done hunting.

I disagree that there are effective non-lethal weapons avalible, especially compared to a gun. If an armed burgler comes in, a taser is not going to do much help. plus, whats to stop the local and federal govermnents from banning the use of things such as Tasers or pepper spray. since they afterall, can be potentially used for criminal acts.

It's true that Outlaws and criminals will still have guns, but if outlawed, over time there will be less on the market and less availability.

If there is a demand, there will always be a demand. from figures i've read, there is about a Hundred guns for every person living in the united states. Banning guns only keeps them out of the hands of law abiding citizens. The Criminals, already being criminals, can aquire them, and his or her victims will have no adequete means of defense. Case in point, look at England. They are having major problems with Criminal acts involving guns, and no means of protection. If i were a criminal, i would think twice about robbing a home where the owner might be sitting in his home with a shotgun next to his bed, as opposed to a home where the best protection a law-abiding citizen would have is a kitchen knife.
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There's something fucked up with a nations gun laws when every few months you hear about some kid who goes into his highschool and blows away his teacher or classmates etc.

The problem is not the guns themselves. The problem are the gun users, and the ill-responsibility of gun owners, and certain parents who own guns. Cases like this occur what? once every couple of years. It is not a nation-wide phenomenon that happens everyday. You shouldent let a few bad apples ruin the whole bunch. Technologies nowadays allow people who commit crimes with guns, to be tracked directly to the source. This is since all Guns, leave a ''signature'' in the bullets they fire which allows them to track directly who is the owner of the gun. Yes, it doesent help against the crazies who go into public places and start shooting (which i do agree, there are some fuckups in the system that allowed people with mental disorders to even aquire them in the first place). But again, cant let a few ruin it for the whole.

I agree with Cosmo 100%

Erik, I agree that this is a touchy subject. Maybe better left to personal conversations.

Juan Carlos and Cosmo, I will respectfully disagree with your opinions at this time.

I think the 2nd Amendment was written in a different time under completely different circumstances. Look at the murder and crime stats of other countries in Europe that don't allow citizens to carry guns. However, i think we are too deep in the yogurt to back out now. We need gun control laws and i say fuck the NRA.

I am getting my concealed permit tho.

*steps into shitstorm*
again, JC, i reiterate that this is a VERY touchy subject...

I feel that guns need to be available to the people. 2nd amendment allows for an "armed militia" in the event that a tyrannic government were to seize control of the country the people would have more than words to fight with.

that said however, I also feel that gun access should be more limited in this country.
i agree with Cosmo in that if you criminalize ownership of a firearm, only criminals will have them. also, if you were to outlaw guns in the US (and sale of american made weapons to americans) that would only lead to a bigger black market in the same items.

curious what Bill's $.02 is going to be. oughtta be spirited, that's fo'sho'.

Gun's should be illegal? You mean like in a Police State. I dont think John Q. Citizen needs to own an AK-47, but a pistol for self defense, yes. Stephan non-lethal weapons are useless in a life and death situation Im a Cop and I have used a tazer. They are good when you want to take a Nutcase or drunk into custody and thats when you have two or three Cops on the scene. Im no Right wing NRA idiot who thinks you should be able to own an M203 grenade launcher. Like usual though its polarized when it come to picking sides. I guess thats how this country operates. Your either a right wing Nazi Christian or a left wing Commie tree fucker...who needs to use reason and common sense ,not Americans. Im in the middle, I like to use reason and common sense. Does Stephan need to own an FN FAL 7.62mm battle rifle? No. Should Stephan be able to purchase a 9mm Barretta pistol so when that fuckhead criminal breaks into his house and he has to protect his family and property he can? Yes. Pepper spray and tazers dont cut it bud. Europe doesnt allow guns because of their past. You know all of those benevolent Monarchies and the Nazi's, Francisco Franco, Mussolini, Stalin, Napoleon...the list goes on. Europeans have always been oppressed and were never allowed to own weapons...the French Revolution comes to mind as a reason. So when they became democracies they never owned a weapon anyhow. Because of all of the Monarchies this is why we are allowed to own weapons...to keep the government in check. I dont know how much validity is in that as our soldiers and Police(Ive been a Soldier and Im obviously a Cop) are not brain washed Stormtroopers or Gestapo. American Soldiers and Law enforcement would never turn on the people...we are the people, our Soldiers are all volunteers. So I dont think thats an issue. Although Bush really tried to do as he pleased.

Ovich wrote:
It's true that Outlaws and criminals will still have guns, but if outlawed, over time there will be less on the market and less availability. .

Yeah ...just like drugs huh ?...

Come on Luis we're winning the war on drugs.
JUST SAY NO.

the war on drugs is the biggest collective mind-fuck ever. what a fucking joke.

we cannot afford to "stop" the war on drugs and we will never "win" it. it is a complete fucking farce.

decriminalize weed!

Alcohole is worse than weed, but its legal.

Rokassan wrote:Alcohole is worse than weed, but its legal.

Cigarettes too.

lots of two-faced hypocrisy when we talk about drugs in this country. tons of people in jail for nothing. the war on drugs is destroying our society.

i think one of the reasons drugs appeals to kids so much is because they are illegal, they like the trill and the danger of doing something they are not supposed to, and then before you know it.. they are addicted to it.
Good upbringing is all the "war on drugs" we need, i hung arround the "wrong" crowd in school, and they would do all sorts of shit, and they would offer it to me also, never once did i tried that crap, my parents did a good job raising me and i was never interested in any of it.

You gotta love the parents that say "dont do drugs!" and then they drink themselves to oblivion.

I don't like the catchline " Guns don't kill people, People kill people" The intent of this statement is to try and place all responsibility for gun violence on the individual. While ultimately, the individual is responsible for choosing to commit an act of violence, the problem of gun violence needs to be viewed on a systemic basis, as part of a larger problem.

Like in an engine. A mechanic might take an engine apart and say " look, this is the problem, this is what caused your engine to break down" Well, easy enough, but why did that piece fail ? Were there other parts of the engine that were not working correctly? Was this part defective or poorly made? Why do we keep putting engines together with this poorly made part? Would this part have performed better if the driving conditions were not so extreme? Did the driver push this car to the limit, making this part bound for failure?

That is the systemic way of thought. And the same can be applied to guns in this country. Banning guns may not be the answer, but one things for sure. If nothing changes, than things are either going to
A. Stay the same (are we satisfied with this)
B. Or get Worse as the population rises and other factors (violence in everything we watch) add to the love of guns.

Option C . Which would mean, things are going to change in a positive way is not naturally going to happen by itself. A change needs to occur to the system.

The question is what changes can occur that would affect the system positively?

Banning guns wouldnt solve anything, it would just create even more problems and strectch even more our allready stretched police departments, perfect example is Prohibition, they tried to ban alcohol and look how well that worked out ! evrytime something gets banned that is on demand, criminal organizatiosn will spring up to cater to the needs of the people asking for the produt. by banning guns we would be creating a nightmare of black market gun dealing, T
The crime rate would prob increase 10 fold, because the criminals dont ask permision to get guns, and they would know that law abiding citizens wont be owning any guns, hell, most of the criminals are forbiden to own guns because of past offences, and yet they are still packing bigger heat than the police !

Not a drug user myself, find no rush in loosing control and driving my car into a wall on LSD thinking im wonderwoman. Alcohol is stupid because you end up not remembering anything and horrible migraines and nausea.

Guns: Going to a shotgun/pistol/rifle range and unloading on a helpless target or clay disk is the most fun. The rush, the smell...the powder in the air. Chasing the clay dart. Muy sexy. Then afterwards, when youre done, the smell of spent powder and fumes lingers and reminds you how awesome you are. Its our God-given right, like free internet porn.

I think that banning guns would be like banning alcohol and look how that turned out. Moonshiners, rum runners, .....NASCAR?!! I dont need another shitty sporting event to tell me soemthines awry.

Ok, I get it. Most 40k players don't like the idea of banning guns, big surprise.

So what do you suggest then in regards to all the gun violence? Just leave things the way they are?

No, there exist ID chips that are inserted under the skin and a reader on the gun that required no battery. Only the firer gets to fire the load. System is expensive but registered gun users wouldnt dare fire weapons at innocent people.

No-one is innocent.

What about old guns. Well thos will have to be brought in for servicing or else a large gun registration fee must be incurred. Large I mean like $10,000. Guns are permitted but enforced. Not a police state but not the Wild West either.

Also limit the sale of ammunition. Over time only registered users who have a license can buy ammo.



LICENSES for guns that must be carried. I can go to the range with my friends gun and they wouldnt care. You can walk around no prob, this state is a joke.

I like Eddie Izzard's solution. Sell guns at whatever price youlike, but make ammunition like $10,000 a round. That'll really make you reconsider spraying the office with an AR-15. (this is a joke)