Re: Motion for Mandatory Painting Score for all Future Tournaments in MIA

by Abaddon Wed Jul 29, 2009 6:35 pm

I don't think the problem is new players. The problem is players that come touranment afer tournament with the same unpainted figures.

My gripe is if you get into this game you know that the figures are unpainted and you would figure that they should be painted at some point.

Maybe the 25% for painting is too much but some system has to be worked out so people that actually put an effort into their armies are compensated for it. It sucks that I work my ass off to paint my army and the guy across from me week after week comes with a silver horde. Pointing at Luis

Like I said before I am not asking everyone to paint like some of our painting experts that we have on these forums but at least make an effort and paint them as best you can. At a later dte if you get better just dip and repaint them.

I mean I ahve seen a few guys in these forums that when they first got into the game they could not paint a barn right and with a little help and incouragment they are painting great now. i.e. Bill(Ciatonni) and Phil

Just my 2 cents.

by **Ovich** Wed Jul 29, 2009 8:35 pm

This coming from the guy who's bringing the Silver Horde to the next Flames of War tournament. Rolling Eyes

Hypocrite - a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings

by Abaddon Thu Jul 30, 2009 5:28 am

So I am bringing a silver horde one time. I am only doing so because I do not have time to paint them, but have I not always had my guys fully painted every time we played 40k?

Besides, I garantee that they will not be that way for long. You know as well as any one else how much I detest playing without painted figures.

But just to make you happy, I will do my best to have the army painted before the tournament. tongue

by **Ovich** Thu Jul 30, 2009 8:36 am

Oooh. they'll be burning the midnight oil at the firehouse the next week or so huh?

I was just kidding Javy... unlike some, I don't think there's any shame in bringing an unpainted army to a tournament.

by **luis the young** Thu Jul 30, 2009 8:44 am

I got into the hobby for the strategy side of it and the fun factor, i couldnt care less if my figures are unpainted, missing an arm or with no head.
When my ugly unpainted army with missing heads beats the crap out of your ' beautyfully painted and based OMFG im better than picasso' army it means that i was the better General, and painting had nothing to do with it.

For those that like to embrace the full aspect of the hobby some type, their efforts should be rewarded in some way at tournaments, but dont penalize to harshly those that just want to play and have fun.

by **ShadowMaster** Thu Jul 30, 2009 10:32 am

Luis had me beat in a freindly game yesterday, but then I pulled the paint score checklist out on him and I crushed his ass! Cool

by **The Eldar Guy** Thu Jul 30, 2009 10:37 am

Surely you divided it by 1/3 for a single game! Razz

by **luis the young** Thu Jul 30, 2009 10:42 am

Evrything was dead, but since they were good looking well painted corpses the game swung in his favor Sad

That game was a rollercoaster ride, it came down to you stopping that last spell to charge.

by scurrdi Thu Jul 30, 2009 11:14 am

Sounds like a solid match!

What about a battle report!!

by **ShadowMaster** Thu Jul 30, 2009 11:30 am

Back and forth and down to the wire.
That was game fun as hell!
Not too many walked away from the bloodbath.

We would have played again, but there was a line of peeps waiting for table space.

by **Hurricane** Thu Jul 30, 2009 1:29 pm

Typical ShadowMaster game.... Our games are always bloodbaths!

by **Ovich** Thu Jul 30, 2009 3:39 pm

I started testing out my Citadel Air brush thingie today. Planning on using it to undercoat with foundation instead of just using black and white.

I'll let you guys know how it works. Or even better, I'll post pics of it. eventually.

by **Hurricane** Thu Jul 30, 2009 5:33 pm

ooh air brush.... I heard it's really easy to use an airbrush to put on camo to the FoW tanks. Let me know, I might have to borrow that.

by KingdomCome Tue Aug 04, 2009 12:24 pm

Paint scores in tourneys is a poor idea IF it ties in to the overall score. If people want to implement a paint score , it should have a different award. A best painted (fill in the blank) award. Aside from that it could tank people that aren't great painters. In my most recent tourney I got 26 out of a possible 50 points for my armies paint job. I know it's not the greatest painted army, but If I had slaughtered the competition, and assuming I didn't get tanked for sportsmanship (another tourney fail) , There is no way in hell I could have won overall at the tourney.

by **ShadowMaster** Tue Aug 04, 2009 2:35 pm

Airbrushing is cool. Very fast (hint, hint) and a nice soft finish. Definately one of the ways I can complete so many models in the time frame I do.

Best paint always goes to the same couple guys - so I'm really NOT for that idea.

I think the soft paint checklist is the best format.

Something that makes it impossible for the completely unpainted to win first overall, but where most people can easliy compete.

It's not about scoring paint quality - it is about fully embracing the hobby so we have better looking battles.

If we keep things at no paint score, then people will continue to show up completely unpainted.

by Kyle Tue Aug 04, 2009 2:53 pm

Hurricane wrote:ooh air brush.... I heard it's really easy to use an airbrush to put on camo to the FoW tanks. Let me know, I might have to borrow that.

For flames of war figs it does look good, but you need to practice, and the GW airbrush is not the best choice for it. I had mixed results with it but with some touch up they came out decent for my first time with an airbrush

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For warhammer sized vehicles doing camo is awesome as it's much easier to handle the airbrush on such a large model. If you want to work with smaller models though you might want to get a dual action airbrush which of course is gonna cost you much more than the GW one. GW airbrush though is great for quick base coating and working with other 28mm figs.

by **ShadowMaster** Tue Aug 04, 2009 4:20 pm

Yeah - I do not have the Citadel airbrush. Mine is from Pearls.

by Kyle Tue Aug 04, 2009 5:15 pm

The citadel brush is a good brush for it's own game lines, I would test it before hand to do any smaller scale figs cause it was a headache doing my FoW figs with it. I kind of want to spend the money on a nicer one now after enjoying using the citadel one and hoping to get more fine control. Doing very small sprays with the citadel one just seemed to cause it to clog to easily and had to keep opening up the brush to blow out the clog and then adjust back to lower settings.... got very annoying.

by **Ovich** Tue Aug 04, 2009 6:07 pm

I would only use the citadel air brush to do base coats in colors they don't normally create for. Foundation paints are pretty solid for base coating and they don't come in a can.

You can do large scale washing with it too.

by **ShadowMaster** Tue Aug 04, 2009 10:04 pm

Traditional airbrush paint is more like ink .\

When you want to airbrush traditional opaque acrylic you need to thin the paint with water.

by scurrdi Tue Aug 04, 2009 11:14 pm

I need to look into an airbrush!

by **rokassan** Wed Aug 05, 2009 8:19 am

Ovich wrote:Why should we emulate a gaming a environment (GT's) that most of us see as ultra competitive, and quite pressurized. An environment where people go and pay to have their armies professionally painted in order to have a chance of competing. Is that what we want.

Chris, in the negatives you mentioned above, the one that stands out to me the most is the fact that it alienates new gamers.

We really need to think about that. It's one thing to offer support and encouragement for a new gamer to paint his army. It's quite another to pressure the person into painting if he wants to compete.

Now I know you're all thinking... " There goes Stephan again, being oppositional just because he wants to be able to bring his cheezy vampire counts and Chaos Knights without having to paint them... and he's whining about not being able to win any tournaments unless he paints them "

But honestly folks, that's not really what I'm worried about. My self esteem is strong enough to handle not winning tournaments. So are my pockets, so store credit is not a big issue for me either.

To me it's the competitive aspect of the tournament. To me, the game, whether you win or lose should be about tactics and generalship, not what occurs outside of the tournament. Those games I had against Chris, Cosmo, and Luis, were awesome last tournament ! The most fun in a tournament I've had in a long time, and it had nothing to do with how the models looked on the table top.

Bill you mentioned that if Nate had included a painting score in the last tournament you would have won. Do you honestly think that would have been fair, considering I went undefeated with 2 massacres and a minor victory?

I'm just having a hard time considering the idea that someone can win a tournament based on their skill with a paintbrush, instead of their skill on the table top.

I agree with Stephan, but go figure he has only one army completely painted. The rest are the primed hordes(if your lucky). Of course as far as painting goes its all about time. Being married with young children and the aches and pains of life its not easy to paint shit. I do have three fully painted armies and two that are mostly painted. But thats through a combination of my efforts and some smart purchasing and trading. cheers

by **Ovich** Wed Aug 05, 2009 8:25 am

1 army fully painted and 1 army half painted !

by **rokassan** Wed Aug 05, 2009 8:27 am

My mistake. Stephan does paint very well by the way.

by **Ovich** Wed Aug 05, 2009 8:31 am

Thank you sir.

You in a good mood today or something?

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