Air Power, is it worth the points
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Grombart
Warlord Solskritt
scurrdi
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Air Power, is it worth the points
I know that alot of people have not been using any type air power with their tournament lists. First off, I want to know why? No models or don't think that they are good enough for the amount of points they take? Here is my opinion.First off, I have used limited air in both of my tournament lists and have placed 2nd and 1st in the last two. I think the 135 pts (if I remember the point cost correctly) is well worth it. Most people I have played haven't even brought any anti-aircraft guns. The first tournament, my planes rocked. The second tournament, not as much but I feel that the threat of air power causes the other player to play differently and more conservatively. In the back of their minds, they are always thinking about my 109's. It they are always worried about making sure their guys are spread out enough. So, to me with the success that I have had, I feel they are well worth the points. What's everyone else think??
Hurricane- Chaos God
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Re: Air Power, is it worth the points
I agree completely with you on this one.
I always take limited airpower. As the Cossacks don't have much in the way of anti-vechicle I've found that the air support I have has proven time and time again it's useful-ness.
Whenever I face someone with Anti-Air guns I usually rely on my mortar teams or machine gun teams to take them out early on in the game. 90% of the anti-air weaponary your going to see only has a 5+ save unless your taking the big guns, but no one takes those to tournaments since you can't guarantee your opponent using aircraft and then all those points are wasted.
I've found them to be at the least useful and at the best wonderfully effective, I've even knocked out a Tiger with my aircraft before!
I always take limited airpower. As the Cossacks don't have much in the way of anti-vechicle I've found that the air support I have has proven time and time again it's useful-ness.
Whenever I face someone with Anti-Air guns I usually rely on my mortar teams or machine gun teams to take them out early on in the game. 90% of the anti-air weaponary your going to see only has a 5+ save unless your taking the big guns, but no one takes those to tournaments since you can't guarantee your opponent using aircraft and then all those points are wasted.
I've found them to be at the least useful and at the best wonderfully effective, I've even knocked out a Tiger with my aircraft before!
scurrdi- Chaos God
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Bah! my infantry have no need for air support!
Warlord Solskritt- Imperial Guard Commissar
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Re: Air Power, is it worth the points
I'm going to try air power more. But the times I've used it I've had little success with it, but I normally roll like crap.
Grombart- Traitor Captain
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Re: Air Power, is it worth the points
Air Power is as good as artillery. I know that Eric and have pummeled each other with air power. It forces you to be more cautious with your formations and makes you spend points on air defense. It can knock out the heaviest tanks as well. I think people dont use it because they think one dimensional. Id love it if I brought air support and my opponent didnt bring any air defense.
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Re: Air Power, is it worth the points
Rokassan wrote:... Id love it if I brought air support and my opponent didn't bring any air defense.
I've been on the receiving end of aircraft with no anti-air and I found that the germans' ability to spread out 6 inches is usually enough to almost completely negate the airpower. I can see aircraft being useful against mechanized infantry and tanks but not standard infantry. Just my 2 cents though.
Warlord Solskritt- Imperial Guard Commissar
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Re: Air Power, is it worth the points
Well I've found the airpower to be useful. It takes out tanks and enemy artillery and it forces units to be pinned, which is always nice especially if my Cossacks are moving in, less fire is good!
scurrdi- Chaos God
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Well, i tried airpower and it totally sucked nuts, in all 3 games i played with it, i killed a total of 85 points, is to unreliable and as i Play russians i get 2 turns of use out of it before im to close to call it in. I rather take artillery all the time, and since i can attach AA guns to my artillery i welcome any aircraft to get close to them. Airpower was VERy disapointing.
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Re: Air Power, is it worth the points
Ill use my HS-129's in your artillery and we'll see how much it sucks. Look up the Hs-129 its a badass tank buster.
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Re: Air Power, is it worth the points
I get 2 37mm aa guns for 45 points, AND i can get a squad of 37 mm AA guns with 4 guns for like 150 points.... bring it flyboy.
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I think the problem with the Russians is that most other armies spread thier units enough not to make the Air support worth it. I have to aggree here with Luis. Oh God I am going to hell for actually agreeing with the Commi lover.
I have used Air support a couple of times and it has not been worth it. For the points I am using on the air support i rather get flamers or pioneers.
I have used Air support a couple of times and it has not been worth it. For the points I am using on the air support i rather get flamers or pioneers.
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Re: Air Power, is it worth the points
Im glad you are starting to see the light that is communism Javi, soon we will sit over a bottle of vodka and fondly remember the golden years of Stalin.
luis the young- The Lord of Cuba
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Re: Air Power, is it worth the points
Well my airpower helped me win the tournament.
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Re: Air Power, is it worth the points
Rokassan wrote:Well my airpower helped me win the tournament.
Only because i wasnt there, if not i wouldve shot them down like the flying piece of crap that they are, italians dont make soldiers or planes...they make pasta and mobsters!
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Re: Air Power, is it worth the points
Russians make slave labor and porn stars\prostitutes.
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Thats an awsoen combo right there ... slave labor porn stars ! and this present day russsian women are HOT !!
luis the young- The Lord of Cuba
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Re: Air Power, is it worth the points
I really like air support. Particularly for my army which doesn't have alot of anti-tank support available, the air support can really help with that.
scurrdi- Chaos God
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Re: Air Power, is it worth the points
Air support is a must, although the last couple of games for me have not been as effective.
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I don't know the answer to this.......
No really.. I DONT know the answer to this. !!!
No really.. I DONT know the answer to this. !!!
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Re: Air Power, is it worth the points
It helped me smash the Bolshevic tank hoards. Coupled with Italian bravery I was unstoppable. I feel a new Roman Empire rising. Who wants to be sex pope?
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Re: Air Power, is it worth the points
I dunno. It seems that in some games air power is super decisive, and in other games it's a waste of points. Seems to be a 50/50 kind of thing. If you can get anti-air for cheaper you may want to go that way. At least you can use it against ground troops.
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