Which type of Tournament would you prefer?

So, we have the go ahead to do a tournament at the end of January.

I like to diversify the tournaments a little, just so that we don't used to 2250 all the time. As such, here are a few options of what I was thinking. I'd like to get everyone's input if possible.


Option 1: 1k Speed Match. 1 to 1 1/2 hour rounds, try to fit in a 4th round if it's possible at 1k points. The idea here is to have some fun, take some tactical skill with fewer troops, and hopefully see a lot more painted stuff on the board.

Option 2: 2k Doubles Match. Partner up with somebody and you each take 1000 points. Details would be to follow, but this has the potential (and usually is) a lot of fun. My only concern is if we have enough players to make it happen. If all 14 plus some show up, then were good.

Option 3: 1.5k Tournament, standard gig but smaller points.

Option 4: Another 2250 Tournament


What do you guys think?

I like the 2250 points, teams can be fun, but run the risk of falling apart when someone doesnt show up.

i like the 1500 point option also, faster games means more games. The smaller the army the harder it is to make a good solid one, problem is some ahole cuban would prob show up with a VC army and raise 2000 points worth of crap in no time ...

When you start removing Lords everything changes, so I don't really like to play below 2K.

I voted 2250

I'd like to play doubles, but with more than 2K per side.

ShadowMaster wrote:When you start removing Lords everything changes, so I don't really like to play below 2K.

I voted 2250

I'd like to play doubles, but with more than 2K per side.

This echoes exactly how I feel. Voted likewise.

I like the speed and challenge of a lower point game. I say keys mix it up and try a 1000

Well, I always like seeing what happens when people DON'T have Lords to play around with. Don't get me wrong, I run them also, but I think it gets very interesting when your relying a lot on your troops since your characters aren't as tough.

But hey, we'll see how the polls play out.

Here are some other options that you might concider.

Escallation 1st 1500 2nd 2000 3rd 2250 must use what was in prv. rounds list add add extra points to the next rounds list.

De-escallation start at 2250 but what you lose each round does not come back. For those that had blood baths they play in the loser bracket with the 2250.

Or Teams is great if you can get the people for it. 1250 each member.

I really need to get down to Miami and play in some of these I had a great time at Ard Boyz, the sad thing that is the last time I have played a game.

Yeah, an escallation tournament in on the way, no worries

Just not this month.

I'm a little bored of the regular 2250.

I think any of the other options would be preferable.

Dan, if you're gonna be running these things, I'd also really like for you to consider including composition in the scoring.

How is the scoring being done now if you do not mind me asking.

comp. isn't being scored because its a load of bull

The scoring is currently (and roughly) based on the following:

75 % Generalship
15 % Painting
10 % Sportsmanship

The last tournament didn't have these exact numbers, as I was trying a different scoring sheet for the Generalship. I'm willing to explore other possibilities such as army comp, but I'm going to look for a good way to judge that (perhaps just have the judge do it, or create a point system). When I also play in the tournaments, I don't award myself a painting score (since I judge the painting).

Thanks for everyone's input so far!

If you are playing in the games why can't someone else that is at the shop judge the painting and score that section so you do not screw yourself.

It is OK to come with the cheese lists and not get dinged at all fop them?

What kind of turn out do you normally have for the games and what time do the start and when do you get out of the store when all is done?

Sorry for all the questions.

The questions are ok. I'd suggest you go check out a couple of "Fantasy Tournament" threads in the "Find a Game" section, as they will answer some of your questions.

As of right now, there is nothing short of loss of player respect should you bring an 'ultimate cheese list.' People bring all sorts of strong lists, but I know that generally (if the list warrants it) there is a pretty big outrage about a certain list, and then the player doesn't bring it anymore. I've seriously considered a couple of times having a scenario where you switch armies with your opponent, so you can be on the receiving end of whatever you bring to the battlefield.

Turn out is sporadic. Last tournament we had 14, the one before that, 6. Were obviously hoping to keep it closer to 14 if possible.

We usually start at either 12 or 12:30. Last tournament got started late, next time I won't be waiting for people who are late. We try to finish by 7 or 8 pm, but that depends on quick people are getting back from the break (and myself getting everything organized in time).

Yeah - that 10:30pm arrival home got me some extra lashes from the warden. We need to start on-time.

Re: Cheese
The rule book and army book define what is legal when making a list. As long as you follow that, I have no problem with what anyone brings.

Unfortunately - the way GW staggers their rules out creates a power gap in certain matchups. I don't blame the other player for mistakes on the companies part.

Several players (myslef included) always bring very strong lists. You should feel free to do the same without guilt. While occationally frustrating (F*in' Dark Elves!), the games are still challenging and fun in the end.

LOVE THE SWAP YOUR ARMY SCENARIO IDEA!

How about we take it a step further and you need swap with someone to a new army (that you don't currently own) for the whole day. That way you can make your own list based off what is available and everyone gets to try a new army out.

ShadowMaster wrote:
LOVE THE SWAP YOUR ARMY SCENARIO IDEA!

How about we take it a step further and you need swap with someone to a new army (that you don't currently own) for the whole day. That way you can make your own list based off what is available and everyone gets to try a new army out.

It will give me a great excuse to bring an all goblin & snotling pump wagon list to a tourney.

That sounds like fun Bill, but can u imagine how long a game would take where you have to figure out how an army that you never play with works ?

How bout make 3 lists, one at 1500 for first round, one at 2000 for second round and last one at 2500 for third round. Oh, i think this is the scalation thing someone mentioned before.

Everyone makes 3 lists and your oponent picks one at random each round ! lists have to be different with a different Lord choice in each .

That's why you'd need to arrange and prep a bit ahead of time - so you can make your own list and have SOME SMALL idea of what your doing.

Example:
I agree to swap my Lizzies for your O&G
We swap army inventory lists - I list all of my 3500 points of lizzies, you list your 7K points of Greenskins.
We each play with Army Builder options to make a list
Then, let the other player know what to bring for you on tourney day.

Obviously, there is some trust that must occur here. We are mostly all friends and so I think the required mutual respect would be there.

The games are timed, so the question becomes how deep into the game rounds will you get in 2.5 hours.

Not next month - but maybe someday.

Army comp is a huge part of many tournaments. Most of the large tournaments in Europe and Australia have Army Comp.

It's the only way to make up for the power creep.

Dan, you can look into how some of those australian tournies to get some ideas.

the army swap thing is a good idea, but I'd leave that for friendly games and not a tournament- too many headaches.

It'd be nice to have a working comp system, so that Orc and Ogre armies have a better chance. Like Stephan said, the Aussies run only independent tournaments with pretty good comp systems.

The issue lies at the core of the GW buisness model, which is built more around model sales and less around pleasing the game players.

The Privateer Press model is so much better since they can rebalance the whole game and all armies in a single publication.

Comp systems are adjustments to the current rules designed to achieve balance. The problem is they are also independent opinions which can still be broken and miniupulated. You don't really gain anything.

http://warhammer.org.uk/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=58933

Here is a link to the ETC comp system - You'll notice they change more than just the rules on what you can bring in a list. They "adjust" quite a bit.

Noone is touching my models.

I already have enough scrapes on my hydra from peoples' tape measures as it is. I dont' need people dropping my shit too.

The Eldar Guy wrote:Noone is touching my models.

I already have enough scrapes on my hydra from peoples' tape measures as it is. I dont' need people dropping my shit too.

And hence the problem with the "swap armies" idea. It would be great, but if someone drops someone else stuff, or something else... Not good.


As for army comp, it's something to consider. I don't think I'd go as crazy as the Aussies do it. I personally would like to play a few tournaments at under 2000 pts, because I find that it levels the playing ground a lot, because your required to rely more on your troops ( I feel ) then your characters.

ShadowMaster wrote:http://warhammer.org.uk/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=58933

Here is a link to the ETC comp system - You'll notice they change more than just the rules on what you can bring in a list. They "adjust" quite a bit.

Bill, the ETC system is extremist - they're no longer playing Warhammer, really - and a bad example. Not to sound like a broken recorder, but the Aussies have been doing it for years with satisfying results.