New and intresting rules change for 5th

So as it seems you can now shoot through combat...makes things pretty intresting, their was a very simple diagram on Libraium on line which is.


Extremely low-res example:

AAAA
AAA

C CCCCCD
CDDDDDD <-- in assault

BBB
BBB


Squad A and B can shoot each other through that gap, being the new rule is, IF YOU CAN SEE IT YOU CAN SHOOT IT, mind you this is all taken from Libraium Online and the mods are always pretty good when it comes to the rules, so just in case you didn't know now you know.

hahaha, let the cheese begin, move someone with a heavy flamer close to that gap and flame whatever is standing behind that combat thats ready to assault and assist, lol.

luis the young wrote:hahaha, let the cheese begin, move someone with a heavy flamer close to that gap and flame whatever is standing behind that combat thats ready to assault and assist, lol.

Maybe that will be possible, although you'd incinerate your own troops as well as theirs that are in close combat with the template.

From what I was understanding last wednesday....you can shoot thru close combat and get the +4 cover save. Maybe it only works with size bigger vs. size smaller units...I.E. a demon prince could fire over a close combat giving the defender a +4 cover save, and that same squad being able to fire on it's turn at the larger creature giving the demon prince the same +4 cover save.

If both units are size 2 can they fire thru a size 2 close combat?

I dont think there is anymore "size 2 or such" True line of sight means that, if you can see it from the model's eye lvl, then you can shoot it, i dont think ANYTHING blocks line of sight anymore.

I would say no Phil their would have to be some sort of gap or LOS between the size 2 assault and then the two size 2 units shooting @ each other, but the demon prince refrence was A ok in my books!


---Cesar

My question is that with True LOS is what happens when someone thinks they're hot sh*t and models a prone carnifex or crawling wraithlord?

dork_jedi wrote:My question is that with True LOS is what happens when someone thinks they're hot sh*t and models a prone carnifex or crawling wraithlord?

im removing all the gretchin heads from my grots and then giving them Ork heads, gonna call it the Pigmy Ork clan.

dork_jedi wrote:My question is that with True LOS is what happens when someone thinks they're hot sh*t and models a prone carnifex or crawling wraithlord?

LAWLZ! Thats gunna be efffing awsome! and its from head of the model so guess their gunna be shooting through some eldar feet!


---Cesar

With the new assault rules where the defending unit piles in after being charged, there will more often than not be a pretty clear boundary as to where the edges of the close combat are. obviously you won't be able to shoot through models that are all in base contact, because you will not have line of sight. Shooting through gaps in the close combat, in the case of stragglers that have not made it into combat, will afford the target a 4+ cover save as noted in the rule book.

I think that if a monstrous creature can see over a CC at other units, he can fire at it, but the target unit will still get a 4+ cover save due to the fact that the legs and lower torsos of the unit will be concealed by the CC itself. Also don't forget that the Mounstrous unit can of course be targeted in return. and will only get cover if Half of it's body is blocked.

what if you scream head shot when firing @ the monstrous unit, dose it negate their cover save? i think it should!


--Cesar

So essentially.....a swirling Melee happening 10 meters in front of your position....hands and legs and weapons clashing together....you level your bolter fire through the throng of combatants, not hitting any of them and precisely land several hits on the unit behind it.......



gay.

Forcefed24 wrote:So essentially.....a swirling Melee happening 10 meters in front of your position....hands and legs and weapons clashing together....you level your bolter fire through the throng of combatants, not hitting any of them and precisely land several hits on the unit behind it.......
gay.

Mayeb they are using "smart" ammunition, a micro computer brain in each bolt shell that guides the bullet arround corners and through feet !!!!

DarkAngel_Cesar wrote:

dork_jedi wrote:My question is that with True LOS is what happens when someone thinks they're hot sh*t and models a prone carnifex or crawling wraithlord?

LAWLZ! Thats gunna be efffing awsome! and its from head of the model so guess their gunna be shooting through some eldar feet!


---Cesar

I wouldn't set up a shooty model with it, but a crawling cc fex running in shooting phase, umm, oops! look at my fex in yo face!

eek.

If any part of a model's body (head, torso, legs, arms) is obscured from the pov of the firer the target model is considered in cover.

For instance, if one leg or arm of a Wraithlord can't be seen it still gets its cover save. Kinda gay.

No, monstrous creatures have to have 50% or more of their body concealed in order to get the cover save.

The Eldar Guy wrote:If any part of a model's body (head, torso, legs, arms) is obscured from the pov of the firer the target model is considered in cover.

For instance, if one leg or arm of a Wraithlord can't be seen it still gets its cover save. Kinda gay.

For Vehicles and Monstrous creatures, 50% or more MUST be covered to get the saving throw.

Ah, monstrous creature section under shooting. Perhaps I'll be using the older, smaller, shorter Wraithlord next game.

The Eldar Guy wrote:Ah, monstrous creature section under shooting. Perhaps I'll be using the older, smaller, shorter Wraithlord next game.

LoL everyone start raiding your closests for the old 2nd edition models...heh


---Cesar

like the old avatar, thats as big as a guardsmen....lame.

I like the EPIC avatar! that's as big as a gretchin!