Fantasy Tournament at Sunshine 2250 PTS. January 25th
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Warlord Solskritt
the wanderer
dork_jedi
The Eldar Guy
Autarch (CM)
luis the young
ShadowMaster
rokassan
scurrdi
Diosamblet
Dr. Love
Michaelharmon
Ovich
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Re: Fantasy Tournament at Sunshine 2250 PTS. January 25th
Hey Stefan, wassup with the special rules and whatnot for this ???
luis the young- The Lord of Cuba
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Re: Fantasy Tournament at Sunshine 2250 PTS. January 25th
If the $5 buy-in goes to the painting comp., I'm for it. Working on this one model that's been a pain in the ass... stupid pinned crap didn't hold...
Diosamblet- Primarch
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Re: Fantasy Tournament at Sunshine 2250 PTS. January 25th
Diosamblet wrote:If the $5 buy-in goes to the painting comp., I'm for it. Working on this one model that's been a pain in the ass... stupid pinned crap didn't hold...
Use the Luis patented Toilet Paper techniche !!! IT WORKS !!
luis the young- The Lord of Cuba
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Re: Fantasy Tournament at Sunshine 2250 PTS. January 25th
Sorry guys, , my new job has me literally working like 10 hours a day. Instead of hitting the new at 10:30 like I normally would do, I've just been hitting the hay.
I'll work on giving you guys a comp list by the end of the weekend.
I'll work on giving you guys a comp list by the end of the weekend.
Ovich- Lord of Chaos
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Re: Fantasy Tournament at Sunshine 2250 PTS. January 25th
I told Nate about the competition and I believe he's in. I will double-check tonight or tomorrow for ya.
Sorry I haven't been online sooner, my internet has been out and student teaching has been kicking my ass.
Sorry I haven't been online sooner, my internet has been out and student teaching has been kicking my ass.
scurrdi- Chaos God
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Re: Fantasy Tournament at Sunshine 2250 PTS. January 25th
Is there room for another? I may be able to show.
the wanderer- Cultist
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Re: Fantasy Tournament at Sunshine 2250 PTS. January 25th
of course Dale .... but on one condition.....
No more rolling 1 die at a time .... I'm banning single die rolling for the tournament, except on deployment and who goes first rolls.
No more rolling 1 die at a time .... I'm banning single die rolling for the tournament, except on deployment and who goes first rolls.
Ovich- Lord of Chaos
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Re: Fantasy Tournament at Sunshine 2250 PTS. January 25th
Sooo, all your tournaments will have this rule? I guess it must really bug ya!!!
the wanderer- Cultist
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Re: Fantasy Tournament at Sunshine 2250 PTS. January 25th
In a tournament with timed matches, it becomes a big deal.
Diosamblet- Primarch
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Re: Fantasy Tournament at Sunshine 2250 PTS. January 25th
Ok folks,
Here's the Army Comp scoring for next weeks tournament.
No magic items worth more than 25 points ...............+3 points
No Lord Choices ........................................................+2 pts
50% of your points come from Core(ex high elves)...+2 points
No Stubborn, Unbreakable, ITP, or Frenzied units ....+2 points
Characters combined = less than 500 pts..................+1 point
No artillery or warmachines .......................................+1 point
No rare choices ..........................................................+1 point
No Flyers ....................................................................+1 point
3 or less power dice ................................................. +1 point
Characters combined = more than 800 pts ................. -1 point
Only 3 core choices ....................................................- 1 point
More than 200 pts in magic items ............................... -1 point
Special Choices = more than 800 pts.......................... -1 point
Rare choices = more than 500 pts .............................. -1 point
More than 1 flying unit (including monster mounts)............ -1 point
Character on monster mount ................................. ...... -1 point
Lord worth over 450 pts .............................................. -2 points
Magi item worth over 99 pts ......................................... -2 points
More than 1 Large Target ............................................ -2 points
10 or more power dice .................................................. -2 points
Lets get a final roll call please
and everyone get their lists into me by next saturday please.
Here's the Army Comp scoring for next weeks tournament.
No magic items worth more than 25 points ...............+3 points
No Lord Choices ........................................................+2 pts
50% of your points come from Core(ex high elves)...+2 points
No Stubborn, Unbreakable, ITP, or Frenzied units ....+2 points
Characters combined = less than 500 pts..................+1 point
No artillery or warmachines .......................................+1 point
No rare choices ..........................................................+1 point
No Flyers ....................................................................+1 point
3 or less power dice ................................................. +1 point
Characters combined = more than 800 pts ................. -1 point
Only 3 core choices ....................................................- 1 point
More than 200 pts in magic items ............................... -1 point
Special Choices = more than 800 pts.......................... -1 point
Rare choices = more than 500 pts .............................. -1 point
More than 1 flying unit (including monster mounts)............ -1 point
Character on monster mount ................................. ...... -1 point
Lord worth over 450 pts .............................................. -2 points
Magi item worth over 99 pts ......................................... -2 points
More than 1 Large Target ............................................ -2 points
10 or more power dice .................................................. -2 points
Lets get a final roll call please
and everyone get their lists into me by next saturday please.
Ovich- Lord of Chaos
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Re: Fantasy Tournament at Sunshine 2250 PTS. January 25th
I'll be there, just to assure.
I've got -8, who can beat that! Guess I should change my list around...
I've got -8, who can beat that! Guess I should change my list around...
The Eldar Guy- Chaos God
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Re: Fantasy Tournament at Sunshine 2250 PTS. January 25th
I'll be there ! gotta see how i can make a list with those restrictions ..... damn jew hammer ...
luis the young- The Lord of Cuba
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Re: Fantasy Tournament at Sunshine 2250 PTS. January 25th
Ive got one.
Field you weakest lord with no magic items and All of your weakest Troop type.....+22.764534 points.
If you field an Army.................-271/2 points.
Why play. Youve made it taboo to field 80% of anybody's units.
Why dont you just come up with good scenario's like you did when I played 100 years ago and Rudy and I were still friends(That was a long time ago). You penalizing people for fielding a viable army. What is that shit.
Field you weakest lord with no magic items and All of your weakest Troop type.....+22.764534 points.
If you field an Army.................-271/2 points.
Why play. Youve made it taboo to field 80% of anybody's units.
Why dont you just come up with good scenario's like you did when I played 100 years ago and Rudy and I were still friends(That was a long time ago). You penalizing people for fielding a viable army. What is that shit.
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Re: Fantasy Tournament at Sunshine 2250 PTS. January 25th
Bill , I'm sorry , are you coming to the tournament?
No?
Then shut your pie hole.. You've played the game like once, and you're sitting here critiquing me on army composition. Your numbers in your post don't make sense.
It doesn't matter if people's lists are penalized for fielding a viable army as long as everybody's list is penalized. Most people's lists will come out close to 0, if they play with a balanced army. That's the way army comp should be. If someone brings a weak list, they get bonus for army comp, if someone brings a super cheezed list, they get hit hard.
That's the way it should be.
No?
Then shut your pie hole.. You've played the game like once, and you're sitting here critiquing me on army composition. Your numbers in your post don't make sense.
It doesn't matter if people's lists are penalized for fielding a viable army as long as everybody's list is penalized. Most people's lists will come out close to 0, if they play with a balanced army. That's the way army comp should be. If someone brings a weak list, they get bonus for army comp, if someone brings a super cheezed list, they get hit hard.
That's the way it should be.
Last edited by Ovich on Sun Jan 18, 2009 11:31 pm; edited 1 time in total
Ovich- Lord of Chaos
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Re: Fantasy Tournament at Sunshine 2250 PTS. January 25th
Really I just want to get more fantasy gaming in. So I'll start by saying thanks for running the tournament!
My personal problem is I only have a finite amount of fantasy stuff, so there's only so much I can work with- but I'll try to make it work. Then again everyone is getting penalized, so it'll probably even out depanding on the type of armies there.
edit: Ninja'd!
My personal problem is I only have a finite amount of fantasy stuff, so there's only so much I can work with- but I'll try to make it work. Then again everyone is getting penalized, so it'll probably even out depanding on the type of armies there.
edit: Ninja'd!
The Eldar Guy- Chaos God
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Re: Fantasy Tournament at Sunshine 2250 PTS. January 25th
I won't be able to come to this one.
Warlord Solskritt- Imperial Guard Commissar
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Re: Fantasy Tournament at Sunshine 2250 PTS. January 25th
Chris I understand your limitations in terms of what you can field. But you still have choices in terms of how you take your characters, what you equip them with, how many powerdice you have , etc. These are list changes that you have to decide may or may not help you in the long run.
If saving 5 points on army comp is going to make your army significantly weaker, then you have to decide whether it's worth it. But knowing the fact that if you take a cheezed out list with a Dragon Riding Lord and 2 War Hydras and 13 power dice , you're starting out with -8 points, you may want to make some modifications.
If saving 5 points on army comp is going to make your army significantly weaker, then you have to decide whether it's worth it. But knowing the fact that if you take a cheezed out list with a Dragon Riding Lord and 2 War Hydras and 13 power dice , you're starting out with -8 points, you may want to make some modifications.
Ovich- Lord of Chaos
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Re: Fantasy Tournament at Sunshine 2250 PTS. January 25th
I'll be there too. Working on my list now Luis just gave me one of the worst beatings ever with his lizardmen!
Diosamblet- Primarch
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Re: Fantasy Tournament at Sunshine 2250 PTS. January 25th
Ovich wrote:Bill , I'm sorry , are you coming to the tournament?
No?
Then shut your pie hole.. You've played the game like once, and you're sitting here critiquing me on army composition. Your numbers in your post don't make sense.
It doesn't matter if people's lists are penalized for fielding a viable army as long as everybody's list is penalized. Most people's lists will come out close to 0, if they play with a balanced army. That's the way army comp should be. If someone brings a weak list, they get bonus for army comp, if someone brings a super cheezed list, they get hit hard.
That's the way it should be.
If I werent moving I would, but Im doing it all by my lonesome. Pregnant wives arent much help.If they bring a weak list they'll lose. Ive played more than once just not against you and with those restrictions Id only be able to bring some snotlings.
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Re: Fantasy Tournament at Sunshine 2250 PTS. January 25th
All I want to know is...when is the next 40k tournament...I've been stuckin training for weeks! I feel Like I've been in a sabatical!!!!
I need to blow something up....
I need to blow something up....
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Re: Fantasy Tournament at Sunshine 2250 PTS. January 25th
I don't know, maybe we'll try and run one in Feb.
Bill, I didn't know you were moving right now, do you need manpower? or are you having it done by pros.
Bill, I didn't know you were moving right now, do you need manpower? or are you having it done by pros.
Ovich- Lord of Chaos
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Re: Fantasy Tournament at Sunshine 2250 PTS. January 25th
Confirmed as IN
ShadowMaster- Chaos God
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Re: Fantasy Tournament at Sunshine 2250 PTS. January 25th
LOL, I bet she is good a telling you what to do, Bill. If you need some help, let me know. I am free most mornings as you know.
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Re: Fantasy Tournament at Sunshine 2250 PTS. January 25th
Yeah Bill, recruit some gamers!
As for the army comp thing, you can make alot of stuff with your army Bill. Hell, night goblins are a core choice! So are most Orks.
You just can't go crazy and take like a couple uber units. In comparison, you could only take like 2 characters and have them maxed out with potential, but then your lacking on characters.
I mean, my Bretonnian army list that I've written up gets a +3 on this scale, and thats with me being 100 points under the 50% limit for core! I've still got a Lord choice, 2 rares, and 4 specials in it, plus like 6 or so core choices. Oh, and 4 heroes too.
As for the army comp thing, you can make alot of stuff with your army Bill. Hell, night goblins are a core choice! So are most Orks.
You just can't go crazy and take like a couple uber units. In comparison, you could only take like 2 characters and have them maxed out with potential, but then your lacking on characters.
I mean, my Bretonnian army list that I've written up gets a +3 on this scale, and thats with me being 100 points under the 50% limit for core! I've still got a Lord choice, 2 rares, and 4 specials in it, plus like 6 or so core choices. Oh, and 4 heroes too.
scurrdi- Chaos God
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Re: Fantasy Tournament at Sunshine 2250 PTS. January 25th
One thing that hasn't been mentioned, is that army comp plays favorites with certain armies.
Because an army doesn't rely on its heroes and relies on its troops with very little magic and no large targets, +7, doesn't necessarily mean its a weak list or deserves army comp award. They're playing to their strengths just like any more varied army, and they may not necessarily be playing towards fluff like any other army.
For example, a not too tough DE list that I tried out yesterday is -8 (which I wouldn't be taking this Sunday regardless) got mauled by Empire with, for what I could tell, a pretty balanced list.
Last year at gencon (GT) they scored it more so online the lines of the individual army in a 0-6pt score. It also didn't have any defined rules and was instead judged upon:
Quintessential and the list has obvious concessions........... 6
Excellently themed and fair.................................................. 5
Balanced competitive list (most expected score).................. 4
Super competitive ................................................................ 3
Too competitive! .................................................................. 2
Beard!!! Not in the spirit of friendship ................................. 1
List not entered by due date ............................................... 0
Not suggesting you necessarily change anything, its next Sunday, just up for some discussion.
Because an army doesn't rely on its heroes and relies on its troops with very little magic and no large targets, +7, doesn't necessarily mean its a weak list or deserves army comp award. They're playing to their strengths just like any more varied army, and they may not necessarily be playing towards fluff like any other army.
For example, a not too tough DE list that I tried out yesterday is -8 (which I wouldn't be taking this Sunday regardless) got mauled by Empire with, for what I could tell, a pretty balanced list.
Last year at gencon (GT) they scored it more so online the lines of the individual army in a 0-6pt score. It also didn't have any defined rules and was instead judged upon:
Quintessential and the list has obvious concessions........... 6
Excellently themed and fair.................................................. 5
Balanced competitive list (most expected score).................. 4
Super competitive ................................................................ 3
Too competitive! .................................................................. 2
Beard!!! Not in the spirit of friendship ................................. 1
List not entered by due date ............................................... 0
Not suggesting you necessarily change anything, its next Sunday, just up for some discussion.
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