RANT: We need venue alternatives!

Declaring a draw every game does nothing.

The only thing that effects it is if people chose not to collect.

I just don't see why u wouldn't take the points, pay $2 for nothing or pay $2 for points, granted if ur playing two game systems a day then fine, its a new option but pretty much worthless

ROFL so thats why Gabe left sunshine. LoL that shit's to funny....

DarkAngel, Gabe did leave for the League fee.

Eldar, do not agree, if everyone declared a draw it would destroy the ponzi scam, I have done math, see my early post on the numbers. But to get everyone to agree on calling draw, that is impossible.

I am going with the table fee, I am never playing the league EVER!

JerryB

jerry apperently Gabe left us cause he orderd some product and then didn't want it when it arrived and Joel pretty much told him he had to buy it or however the story goes, got upset about it and left the store...meh no big deal IMO.

--C

How is it different? I wrote it at length:

ex. 1:
Two dudes play 10 games.
Player A loses 10 games. Earns 50 points.
Player B wins 10 games. Earns 150 points.

Total points accumilated: 200.
Player B earns points faster and gets more bang for his buck, but Player A makes up for that in earning points slower.

ex. 2:
Two dudes play 10 games.
Player A ties 10 games. Earns 100 points.
Player B ties 10 games. Earns 100 points.
Total points accumulated: 200.

I don't see the difference. From Joel's standpoint it doesn't make a difference. Yes, it sucks to lose.

Instead of this so called "League," everyone could earn just 10 points per game regardless of w/l/t (to a max of 3) after paying their $2. It wouldn't make a difference to joel in terms of profit, it would be easier to keep track of, and wouldn't have all this drama shit attached.

jerryb wrote:DarkAngel, Gabe did leave for the League fee.JerryB

For the record Gabe did not leave Sunshine solely for the League fee, if anything League fee was a very minor reason, afterall who can really complain about paying a total of $7-10 to play 4+ hours a day on multiple days of the week in a league that lasts 6 weeks?

I for one couldn't care less if there was a League fee or not and not for one second did I think the fee was excessive of abusive.

- Art

For the sake of clarity I have included an excerpt from an e-mail Gabe sent out to the WM/H community from Sunshine.

[qoute]I will not be running anymore events at Sunshine. The reason why is because the shop is small and uncomfortable. It is always a mess and in disarray. Every Thursday when we showed up for league, we needed to spend time cleaning up Joel's tables. Joel makes many people uncomfortable and is always complaining about how no one buys anything from him. He also charges people a fee to play in the store. I think his customer service is terrible.
The last straw was a weekend when we had a scheduled tournament and Joel invited people to come play board games and Warhammer and pushed us back into a tiny space in the back of the store. This was a day scheduled for Warmachine/Hordes (first Saturday of every month). We were all very uncomfortable and just ended the tourney and left. We did not feel welcome.[quote]

Make of this what you will but try to avoid jumping to conclusions.

- Art

So help me God, all the bullshit on this thread has made me break out the Bible!

"But to what shall I liken this generation? It is like children sitting in the maketplaces and calling to their companions, and saying:

We played the flute for you,
And you did not dance;
We mourned to you,
And you did not lament.'

Luke 7:31-35

Before you ask what the hell does this have to do with all the back and forth on this thread I will quote the great Satchmo, "there are those that if they don't know, you just can't tell them."

Good luck on unthreading this thread. Peace!

- Art

I like Bread.

Gabe has a point about the tournament play and what days are reserved for what. I have spoken to Joel about times when he brings in other games when he has reserved the day for a particular game system. It's about what brings in the most money and maximizing the people in his store. For that I can understand, but it also hurts the players I feel.

[quote="scurrdi"]I like Bread.[quote]

The foodstuff or the band? From the way your capitalized the word it makes me think the latter, and from this I gather that you are a peace loving romantic.

There's a band called Bread?

Wow, I was just saying something completely random. The foodstuff it is.

scurrdi wrote:There's a band called Bread?

Wow, I was just saying something completely random. The foodstuff it is.

What are you saying, you're not a peace loving romantic!?

Peace loving? Maybe, though I do play War games.

Romantic? Maybe... maybe not...

scurrdi wrote:Peace loving? Maybe, though I do play War games.

Romantic? Maybe... maybe not...

Wouldn't it have been better to put it this way?

Peace loving? All the time.
On occassion I play War games.
Romantic? When in the mood.

See how easy it is people?

Why R.ageA.gainstN.on-issueT.opic?

- Art

[quote="Vycem"]I'd almost be less worked up if Joel was just charging for use of his tables and terrain, then I could kind of justify the expense.[quote]

In my opinion this entire debacle is based on faulty logic. How is charging for the use of tables almost as equally desirable as being charged the same amount for league play when you won't get anything in return for one and store credit for the other?
That you would like a venue alternative is another thing alltogether. I think we can all agree that having more room to play in would be wonderful and that it would be of great help in growing the community.
Whether or not Joel sees expanding as desirable for his business remains to be seen.

- Art

This post went gay pretty damn fast, lets get back to raging against the world !

luis the young wrote:This post went gay pretty damn fast, lets get back to raging against the world !

Pretty damn fast? I wish it had gone, as you say "gay" after page one, not page 10!

- Art

BTW, Luis I like that you list your FOW Peasant Cannibal Army in the armies you play. Cuba did send men to WWII strictly as support. And yes I am Cuban, and yes I was born there.

Read the post above yours, you jumped in before I finished it.

Eldar, guy complete the math. In your example #1 player "B" reach 150 points level only spending $20 bucks, player "A" will have to spend $60 bucks to reach the same level. I will be damn if I going participanting in a ponzi scam. One player pays for the other, in the above example I will lose $30, I am still 50 points short, how the fuck is that a deal.

I do agree with you, there should be the same points awarded regardless of the outcome the game, which is basically calling it a draw.

I had suggested to Mr. Sunshine that the player should be reward for the amount of games you play, not how you bashed someones nuts in game.

But, now I have an option, NO FUCKING LEAGUE for me!

JerryB

Okay, so the options are:

2 dollars for unlimited gaming with no points towards store credit, and you can only play games against people who are also not playing in the league, OR 2 dollars for up to three League games.

This is a minor improvement, but an improvement nonetheless. As for student parking... I have parking tickets from FIU which date back two years. The only thing those tickets do is keep you from graduating until they're paid, and because my car isn't registered to my student ID, they can't even do that.

I have been known, on occasion, to park in the Admin parking spots all day long. FIU cops are basically mall cops.

It would really suck, if I came out one night after a game and found my car was towed because of my weekly abuse on not paying.

I not saying you wrong Nick, but I am not willing to gamble on your speculation.

JerryB

I believe you can still play against people who want the league fee and vice versa, but they just won't get the points (which may discourage some from not playing certain people).

Well, Ovich the way you were pissing and moaning like your nuts were being step on by an elephant, yes it shoud be a big thing.

But I already knew whatever the outcome, you wouldn't like it short of Joel giving the contents of the store away for free and giving you a thousand dollars to make up for your lost time in carrying the boxes to your car by yourself.

Wrong Jerry. The only outcome that would have been sufficient for me would be the consumers choice between paying a 2 dollar fee and getting store credit later on, or NOT having to pay a 2 dollar fee.

And if you think I'm pissing and moaning, maybe you should take Joel's dick out of your mouth for a little while so you can think straight.

You're paying 2 dollars to a store owner who, months ago had no such fee, because he had competition. Now that he has no competition, he's abusing all of you, like the little one eyed filipino boys that he keeps in the back for his pleasure. No I'm not talking about Rokassan, for those of you who may be confused.

You guys are just gonna sit and take it. Wow.

Aren't we the consumers, aren't we the ones that should be demanding what we want.

I say we boycott all products until Joel decides to offer a choice between paying 2 bucks to play and not paying 2 bucks to play.

What are you going to boycott, Stephan? You never buy anything from him anyways.

Sodas and chips and the occasional reaper mini

It'll hit him where it hurts.